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12 November 2005 @ 10:05 pm
the alcohol to the flame  
Aaron Echolls! Next spectacle this Tuesday night, 6pm, after the premiere of "Beyond the Breaking Point", sequel to "The Breaking Point". Starring in this spectacle is Aaron, himself, as The Punisher; his wife Lynn Echolls (formerly the one time famous Lynn Lester) as The Pill-Popping Alcoholic and Ignorant Mother; and lastly, his son, Logan Echolls, will be playing his first, only, and greatest role as The Ungrateful Son. Watch as Aaron takes an all-deserving strap to his boy's back for all the shame that his son has caused his family.

Now only if we advertised realistically, huh? It would be one thing to tell me I deserved it if I had even intended to make a fool of my father or this family; but, alas, I disappoint him further. It was pathetic, the reasons my dad found today. I'm impressed though on how he kept his cool for the whole premiere. He smiled, messed my hair, and stated that "Boys will be boys."

What I'm betting is the idea that he wanted to wrap his hands around my neck and just squeeze. I suppose it's all about family and responsibility. This is something that he'll tell me that I'll learn when I grow up. Personally, if I turn into the exquisite mirror of him when I grow up? I think I'll commit suicide, shuffle off this mortal coil, and end my all-too glamorous life. If he's my fine example for all time, I'll go with the dreams and wishes that I've been adopted into this lifestyle.

"Beyond the Breaking Point" is a hit. I think viewers especially loved the scene in which beyond his entire life, Aaron shows regret for the way he's lived: all action, all fun, and no love. That's when, in the movie and on the set, he pretends that there's not nearly half as much chemistry between himself and his female co-star as they make sweet, sweet love and my mom on the side pops another pill. I slip some JD from my own flask myself and try not to gag.

You'd think if he was such a good actor that he'd be able to hide his affairs, but really everyone knows. Lilly's not so right. Sometimes the premieres are far more exciting than watching paint dry. Sometimes the actors slip up and sometimes someone out there makes the right joke with the perfect timing. Anything to keep you in publicity, Dad. Just remember, I'm the alcohol to the flame.

My backside is swollen as I drive to the Kanes. Lilly'll know right away as she always does. Duncan will stand by idly and, if Veronica is there, she'll just be in blissful ignorance and believe every lie I have about getting into fist fights.

I'm still wearing the black suit and I swallow hard, loosening the too-tight tie around my neck. There are no cuts this time, only hard, red marks. All I want to do now is move into my own ignorance. I'd rather keep up the usual image of false smiles and the sickeningly 'has it all' family. One day, I know, I'll get tired of it. I guess that's why I spoke up today and why I keep talking. Maybe, I just want to stop being invited to all the parties. Those are the real shows. That's when you find out if your actors can truly act.

Unbuttoning the first button of my shirt, I see Veronica in the quickly approaching distance heading towards what I assume to be the Kane house herself. I slow down beside her, turn down the music on the radio (some boy band crap) and roll down the window. I remember Lilly's words of "Play nice", but the thing is that Veronica Mars could use a little excitement in her life - other than the random stories of her dad being Sheriff and busting asses. No, Veronica needs some real drama.

"Hey, Ronnie," I say, a smile quirking on my face for the second time today. I'm ready to see her just roll her eyes at me. Let's face it, we don't always get along. At least, that's something real. "Need a ride?"

[[ open to Veronica - oh, lord. will they snark? ]]
Current Mood: gratefulgrateful
Veronica Mars: come again - liz_guerinrenewedsoul_v on November 20th, 2005 03:46 am (UTC)
"Hi, Logan." I said, eyeing the smile a little suspiciously. There was no Lilly or Duncan in sight, so why put in the effort?

I thought about refusing for half a second, but who was I kidding...it was still a bit of a walk to the Kane's from here, and I could deal with Logan for 5 extra minutes.

"A ride would actually be nice, if you wouldn't mind." I admitted to him after a moment.
Logan Echolls: nothing between us - l/vlogan_echolls on November 20th, 2005 04:26 am (UTC)
I reach over and pop open the passenger door for her. I can tell by the look in her eyes that she's all too suspicious of my actions like I'll have an alterior motive for her. What devious and evil thing will Logan think of next? I'm truthfully getting a little tired of that attitude. So, I sigh and settle back into my seat.

"Seat is all yours," I motion towards the passenger seat.

As long as she doesn't fiddle with the radio, like Lilly is so fond of doing in my X-Terra, it's fine.

She doesn't really get that I wouldn't have invited her if I really minded that much. Veronica Mars can occasionally be bearable. Let's just hope that this is one of those rare and brilliant times that we all look forward to.

I remember talking to Duncan about her. Probably too many times. It's just this whole thing of "I don't get what you see in her." Duncan stated that he was glad of that fact. I doubt that I ever will. Veronica's not a person that I really truly want to get to know. She's Lilly's best friend and Duncan's girlfriend, but that's all. I had applauded their taste until she started sitting at our table.

A car ride isn't going out of my way. I just want her to know that.
Veronica Mars: Renewed Soul - liz_guerinrenewedsoul_v on November 20th, 2005 07:22 am (UTC)
"Thanks." I say, smiling just slightly as I get in the car and get buckled in. "I appreciate the ride. I guess I just wasn't expecting it. I mean, I know you don't like me and I'm not expecting you to. So thanks."

I let out a little breath and stared out the window for a moment as he started the car again.

"I take it from the suit you didn't stay home long enough to get changed after the premiere?" I asked, entirely unsure of why I was even asking it other than to have some noise other than the radio.

It's not like I hate Logan or anything, just, without Duncan and Lilly, we'd probably go out of our ways to avoid contact. Instead we're constantly together for the sake of the people we love, with absolutely nothing else short of the fact that we attend the same school in common.
Logan Echolls: great heights - shadeslogan_echolls on November 20th, 2005 07:34 am (UTC)
Oh, Veronica, where could you have possibly gotten the idea that I just don't like you? I didn't see much of her past the pep and just her being together with Duncan. Maybe, if I saw some substance, I would like her or even know what to say around her. I knew how to make her uncomfortable and I knew a good percentage of things that would make her blush, but I was sure that I didn't know Veronica at all.

No, it's untrue and I'm being unfair. She did have substance. She was fun at homecoming. But then again that adventure was all what we needed then. We all had fun. Just let loose and were ourselves.

I let out a breath as she asked about me staying home long enough to change. Part of me hadn't even realized that I was still in the suit until the tie seemed too tight around my neck. I wanted to get out of my house as fast as I possibly could.

"No. I told Lilly I'd meet her after it." I make this fake smile towards Veronica which makes me grimace inside. "Lilly doesn't really like to be kept waiting, now does she?"
Veronica Mars: Renewed Soul - liz_guerinrenewedsoul_v on November 20th, 2005 08:41 am (UTC)
"No, she really doesn't." I agreed, laughing softly. There were countless times she'd threatened to leave without me because I wasn't ready when Lilly decided I should be. When she says she wants something, she means it. Right at that second.

"You guys got anything special planned, or just hanging out?" I asked. I knew Lilly found the big Hollywood events boring. Otherwise she probably would have been with Logan already, showing off for Entertainment Tonight or Access Hollywood, or something. "Either way she's probably been impatiently waiting for you to get there since before you even left tonight."

Logan Echolls: feel it all just slip awaylogan_echolls on November 20th, 2005 08:52 am (UTC)
I have to spread a real smile at Veronica's words and at her expression. The same face that knew that Lilly always got what she wanted or she'd go elsewhere. It was Lilly Kane, who would deny her? I had no trouble admitting that I couldn't.

I'm pretty sure that exchanging saliva was in the plan for Lilly and I, but I don't say it to Veronica. She says it enough for the two of us, plus some. Lilly may not have had any problem with actually promenading our sex life, but I was friends with Duncan and that sort of thing never went over well. He knew that was enough. I'm pretty sure that Veronica knew more than he did.

"Just hanging out." I say, tapping my fingers against the steering wheel for a moment. "You've got plans with Duncan or just hanging too?" Knowing the two of them, the four of us would probably be pulled together in a room.
Veronica Mars: Renewed Soul - liz_guerinrenewedsoul_v on November 20th, 2005 10:24 am (UTC)
"Just hanging out, too." I nodded in response to his question. Duncan and I were generally pretty content to just spend time with each other most of the time. Didn't really matter so much what we were doing.

I knew enough from Lilly to know they'd probably be doing a lot more than hanging out, but I wasn't about to call him on that. Somethings were better left unsaid.

"Hanging out with Duncan's definitely a better option than spending the evening watching dumb old movies with my parents. You don't want to be around when they're watching that stuff, trust me." I commented, "It's kinda scary."
Logan Echolls: low self esteem - l/vlogan_echolls on November 20th, 2005 10:39 am (UTC)
I couldn't help but wonder what she meant by it being scary to watch dumb old movies with her parents. She was supplying a topic I could ask about and keeping conversation between two non-friends was something rather than nothing.

"Scary?" I asked, a bit of amusement on my face as I glanced over to her. "How so?" Even though her dad was sheriff, I truly didn't find him in any way frightening - not even with a gun. Lianne Mars didn't exactly strike fear into me either, but it was hard to compare. I knew more than anything her parents probably mocked the movie, talked in weird voices that mimicked the actors, and recited quotes.

"They're big black and white movie buffs or something?" Fans of Natalie Wood, Humphrey Bogart and Ingrid Bergman, that was something I imagined for Veronica's parents.
Veronica Mars: Renewed Soul - liz_guerinrenewedsoul_v on November 20th, 2005 08:40 pm (UTC)
"Sometimes it's classic stuff. Be nice if it was, actually." I commented. "But no, half the time, like tonight's selection of 'Staying Alive', it's stuff they watched when they were dating at when that happens...well, you know how you think Duncan and I can be sappy at times? They put us to shame on the sap meter. And that? Is a side of their parents no kid needs to see." I shook my head. There was nothing but embarrassment in the fact that my parents were sitting watching that movie right this minute.

Logan was partly right, they had a tendency to love the old detective movies and things like that, but they also watched a scary amount of Travolta's early stuff.

"I don't mind watching movies with them generally. Especially if it's something we're all enjoying mocking, but I don't have any great desire to be included in what amounts to a date night."
Logan Echolls: great crab papalogan_echolls on November 21st, 2005 06:21 am (UTC)
I had to groan aloud at her parents taste in movies. "You know, if you had said Grease it would have been at least a step up in the right direction. If you pick something with Travolta in it at least go for Pulp Fiction, am I right? I'm not even including the fact that you called it a date night for them."

I shook my head towards her, a small smile curling on my face. Bumbling sheriff and his bumbling wife; at least Veronica didn't share their opinions of good movies - not as far as I knew.

Movies and date nights - Hey, what ever works for them. "Maybe it's the ever-so-attractive sideburns?" I suggested.

What was once considered cool had now more than definitely changed. I'm sure they'd always think fondly upon that past. It wasn't as if occasionally I didn't see moments of my parents rising to that level of era nostalgia. No, I never did. Our constant need for image and example continued to leak into our family life.
Veronica Mars: Renewed Soul - liz_guerinrenewedsoul_v on November 21st, 2005 06:51 am (UTC)
"Exactly. At least Grease is considered to be a classic worth remembering. And I really can't argue with the choosing Pulp Fiction, or even Broken Arrow, just about anything Travolta over Staying Alive, actually." I commented, smiling back just slightly. "Well, of course the Look Who's Talking movies need to be banished from whatever archive they're in, but that's beside the point."

Can't really blame Logan for thinking my parents are being total geeks right now. Which the groan made it clear he was, but the thing is? They are. I love them dearly, but come on. I'm cooler than they are, and I know that's not saying much.

"Sideburns?" I rolled my eyes slightly, laughing at the idea. Some 70's fashions should just be left there. "Right. Must be it. Well, that explains my mom anyway. My dad's probably just watching because she wants to. Dad's good like that though. Can't begin to count the amount of times he's watched the South Park movie with me."
Logan Echolls: glances - l/vlogan_echolls on November 21st, 2005 08:43 am (UTC)
I laughed, the grin of pure amusement still on my face. It was such a relief to just be away from the house discussing nothing at all. This was what I wanted to do: put my parents out of my mind and take in the company of my friends (or rather almost friends in this case - Veronica was... something).

"Don't tell me that your mom has a full set of Travolta memorabilia," I replied sardonically. "I'm not sure I bothered to see anything beyond the first Look Who's Talking movie. Once there was talking dogs you could count me out of it. You know, excluding that movie... was it Cats and Dogs?"

I glanced towards her briefly, before putting my eyes back on the road. Is it just me or could I possibly be getting along with Veronica Mars right now?

"At least the movie taste wasn't inherited as far as I can tell," I replied. I'd seen the movie too many times with Duncan to speak up. Losing track of the numbers, I wondered if he even knew Veronica like that or if he was just holding out on Lilly and I.

"That movie has warped my fragile little mind," I told her mockingly.
Veronica Mars: Renewed Soul - liz_guerinrenewedsoul_v on November 21st, 2005 09:30 pm (UTC)
"I don't know if I'd cal it a full set, but it is fairly substantial." I told Logan. That bit of info was embarrassing enough without going into exact details. Not that I really thought my mom was going to care much what Logan Echolls thought of her. His parents maybe, but not him. She never cared what kids thought of her.

"Talking dogs come in the third movie. Second's just another baby, thankfully." I commented. "Cats and Dogs, Homeward Bound, there's actually a scary amount of movies with dogs that talk now that you've got me thinking about it."

I'm just gonna be shocked I'm having a decent conversation with Logan. Duncan and Lilly would be so proud of us for how well we're getting along. Won't last beyond this car ride, though. No real reason for it to.

"I think the show probably warped your so-called fragile little mind long before the movie came along." I stated with a smirk, "If it even took that."

Yeah, I didn't exactly believe South Park had much to do with whatever warping had gone on in Logan's brain. He was warped in his own way the day I met him.

"I'm not really sure you can call loving the South Park movie having any sort of taste in movies, as much as I enjoy it." I added in response to his comment about movie tastes not being inherited, "But I generally like to think I've out grown some of the more embarrassing movie obsessions."
Logan Echolls: the edgelogan_echolls on November 22nd, 2005 07:09 am (UTC)
I could almost bet that her mother's set included the movie Carrie just for the brief moments he spent on screen. I silently listed the movies off in my head. Hey, when you spend a fair amount of time looking at IMDB.com, you pick up some things. Not to mention how show business and the Echolls were intertwined.

"Generally, sequels are to be avoided at all costs," I replied. As evidence by my lack of remembering that the movie with the dogs and cats came third and not second. They all just melded together inevitably. "But, you're right about that. Just generally there's a great amount of movies with talking animals in them."

My lips quirked into a smirk at her next words and I shook my head sceptically. "Just when I was finding you flattering, Veronica," I tsked towards her.

"Do I have to guess the horrors of your embarrassing movie obsession collection or are you going to let me in on the mortifying secrets?" I asked, still amused. "You could tell me and I'll tease and we'll all get our daily dose of this eternal snark we have between us."

And that was about all there was going to ever be between us.

This moment had been acknowledged and it was already in passing as far as the two of us were concerned. However, at the very least, I was pretty sure that we could still be tickled that we were standing each others' presence.
Veronica Mars: Renewed Soul - liz_guerinrenewedsoul_v on November 22nd, 2005 07:27 am (UTC)
"They only exist because they make the studios easy money, built in audience and all, right? I mean that basically explains how your dad still has a thriving career." I commented when he pointed out sequels should be avoided at all costs.

"Sorry, Logan." I laughed as he tsked me. Wasn't really all that sorry and we both knew it. "Just don't really believe South Park was the sole factor in your warped brain. Contributor I'd buy."

"Would it really be as fun for you if I were to just tell you?" I questioned. Sure, it'd be faster, but if he wanted maximum amusement, why just tell him? He'd known me long enough, known the two people I was closest two outside of my parents long enough, to make a few decent guesses, I was sure.

"I mean, if you just want to get right to the teasing, I can tell you. Whatever." I shrugged. He was right though, if we weren't snarking we basically weren't talking unless we were forced to. Why mess with what worked?
Logan Echolls: secret - l/vlogan_echolls on November 22nd, 2005 07:46 am (UTC)
"My dad still has a career because of obsessive fan girls who like to see him with his shirt off and because of crack producers who like that he sells because of previously said girls." I corrected Veronica almost immediately.

Reasons or not my father had a career was past me. I was the epitome of not caring. "Come to think of it, I think they just let out one of his sequelled movies today. It's not nearly half as touching as the one he's putting out at Christmas."

If you want the real reason I have a warped mind, Veronica... - I shook it off, ignored the pain still spreading on my lower back.

"Let me guess. Since, yes, you did point out that it would be fun," I said, motioning towards her with the usual witty smile. "Among these movies would be... Spice World and Batman Forever. Though, I do suspect that out of the Travolta collection you'd own Saturday Night Fever and Grease. Like you said, at least Grease is a classic."
Veronica Mars: Renewed Soul - liz_guerinrenewedsoul_v on November 22nd, 2005 04:55 pm (UTC)
"Either way it's a built in audience." I countered. "A near sure bet of easy money to the tune of hundreds of millions for any studio involved."

"Well no offense to your dad, but the odds of me making an effort to see either is highly unlikely. His movies have never really interested me much."

"I'll admit to Grease, and to Batman Forever. Spice World, for what it was, isn't really that bad, and if you mock me for watching that you have to mock Lil, 'cause she was right there with me nearly every single time I watched it. In my defense though? I was 10. Long since over that." I Insisted. "There's also She's All that and Down to You. And let's not forget three quarters of anything Kirsten Dunst did before Spider-man. Some very funny movies, but not exactly the most well written."

I figure I'd give him what he was after. A nice long list of things to torture me about that weren't his insisting that there was something wrong with the way my life was. I like my life, thanks.
Logan Echolls: a long time ago we used to be friends -logan_echolls on November 22nd, 2005 10:14 pm (UTC)
"See, now I know exactly what to ask him to get me for Christmas." I snapped my fingers, the same smile rising again. "I'll ask him for my own group of raging fan girls, because this family just doesn't have enough."

"At least it sells, Veronica. There's nothing much more than selling things, keeping jobs and a house, when it comes to business." I shook my head towards her, "Believe me when I say that I wouldn't throw any money towards his films either. Or even Trina's, for that matter." Trina, god knows, wouldn't be anywhere if she wasn't leeching off dad's fame a bit.

"I can't mock you about Spice World. Lilly made me and Duncan watch that thing like five times a day for a week. But... She's All That? Geeky girl into Prom Queen - How sweet." I told her. No, that sounded nothing at all like what happened when the Kanes discovered Veronica Mars. Minus one bet, we could possibly be that story.

"You couldn't possibly get more cliche. You know, unless you were watching Down To You. So, is this a general love of Freddie and Kirsten movies?"
Veronica Mars: Renewed Soul - liz_guerinrenewedsoul_v on November 22nd, 2005 11:04 pm (UTC)
"That would be entertaining. For about an hour." I laughed at the idea of him having his own set of raging fan girls. "Might just make Lil a bit jealous, too. Which if it wouldn't be so scary might be entertaining too."

"Wasn't saying it didn't. Or that it doesn't give you more than most people can even dream of." I told him. Really didn't need to explain to the Mars family how much further you could get in this town if you had enough of it. "And somehow I didn't think you'd willingly pay to go see one of your dad or Trina's movies."

"So you yourself have seen Spice World no fewer than 35 times?" I asked, a smirk playing on my lips, knowing Lilly probably loved forcing Duncan and Logan to watch that movie endlessly.

"Down to you was Julia Stiles, not Kirsten Dunst." I reminded him. "And it's a former love of Freddie Prinze Jr. movies. I've since figured out that he can't act and he's really not that pretty." Kirsten Dunst on the other hand was still making passably decent movies.
Logan Echolls: sweet catastrophy - l/vlogan_echolls on November 22nd, 2005 11:23 pm (UTC)
Occasionally, I wouldn't mind getting Lilly a little jealous too. I mean, do I have to be the only one in our relationship like that? No, when Lil got jealous she ignored me. It was part of our ongoing on and off relationship. The off never really lasted for long.

"I think I've seen Lilly jealous enough times to know that it doesn't turn out as well as I can hope for." - And she's seen me jealous. That never turns out well either. She hated that and always provoked it. All at the same time. It drove me crazy sometimes when she couldn't pick what she wanted in me. I was sort of a whole Logan Echolls package.

I glanced towards Veronica again as she mentioned Spice World, "Something like that. Duncan's possibly seen it more than I have though. He does live with her. Which means that he's subjected to far more humiliating films than I have."

"And, for the record, I was only pointing out that Down To You was a Freddie movie, not a Kirsten one. Kirsten... on occasion, has made some good movies." I admitted reluctantly.
Veronica Mars: Renewed Soul - liz_guerinrenewedsoul_v on November 23rd, 2005 12:40 am (UTC)
"I figured somehow that you knew that. Despite whatever I may say to the contrary at times, I know you're not a complete idiot." I smirked. I knew all to well from Lilly telling me how much she relished in making Logan jealous. As much as I didn't get along with him a lot of the time, I couldn't really deny that she could do a lot worse than Logan Echolls. Everybody can see how much he loves her.

"More than likely." I agreed when he said Duncan was subjected to more humiliating films than he had been. "It is Lilly we're dealing with. Frequently and rapidly bored with everything around her, and therefore wanting others to make her less bored." I smiled, even though I couldn't help but feel bad for Duncan being subjected to that.

"I'm sure you have a great fondness for Bring It On." I commented, slightly sarcastically when he mentioned Kirsten Dunst making good movies. She had made several good ones, but for some reason I just couldn't picture Logan having had watched most of them. "Or at least for all the girls in Cheerleading uniforms."
Logan Echolls: forget me not - l/llogan_echolls on November 23rd, 2005 05:11 am (UTC)
"Personally, I think Lilly prefers my being jealous over her. She wouldn't try so hard to make it happen otherwise." Lilly flirted. Lilly loved the attention. I'm not sure if we'd ever stop reminding each other that there were other people that wanted us too.

I rolled my eyes at Veronica's statement. Sometimes I wasn't too sure if being in love with Lilly was a good thing or a bad thing - certainly not a smart thing. I guess love was always this mix of both. The bad and the good combining into one intense emotion. All I knew was that I did feel that way and I in no way wanted it to stop.

"Should I be taking that as an actual compliment from you, Veronica Mars?" I asked at her smirk.

Despite the fact that we wouldn't hang out with each other on any other conditions than friendships and relationships required us to be decent to each other, I think I would actually miss her presence in the vicinity. I dealt with change fine. Change happened and things would shift and I would just go on like the change never effected me. That's how things were.

"You know, I wasn't even thinking of Bring It On, but now that you mentioned it Eliza Dushku was... -" I stopped short. "No, you're right, I have a fondness for just all the girls in Cheerleading," I said with a short amused laugh.
Veronica Mars: Renewed Soul - liz_guerinrenewedsoul_v on November 23rd, 2005 06:12 am (UTC)
"Lilly wants to be reminded constantly how much people want her." I commented, "She just doesn't always go about it the best way." Just the best way she knows how, considering she's been shown over and over again that even negative attention's better than none at all. Lilly's logic seems to be as long as Logan's jealous she's sure he cares.

"Take it however you want, Logan." I told him simply. It was likely as close to an actual one as I was ever going to give. Especially directly to him. Wouldn't want him to stop thinking he was a complete jackass as far as I was concerned.

"You've got a thing for Eliza Dushku, hey? You're being rather enlightening tonight...first Spice World, now that?" I laughed. "So, can I ask what movie you were thinking of, if not Bring It On?" I questioned.
Logan Echolls: burning uplogan_echolls on November 23rd, 2005 06:42 am (UTC)
"I had noticed that that was what she was aiming for. She just doesn't always like it when she gets it," I commented with a simple shrug attached to it. I'd be crazy to assume that Lilly would ever do anything else other than that. She knew how much I loved her as always, but Lilly was Lilly. Like I said before, she showed it in different ways.

... such as making me crazy with jealousy.

I shook my head and moved on. "Would it really be as fun for you if I were to just tell you?" I asked her, almost mocking her words earlier, but not quite. Go ahead, guess, Mars.
Veronica Mars: Renewed Soul - liz_guerinrenewedsoul_v on November 23rd, 2005 07:19 am (UTC)
"I don't think most people do like what they get when they've caused the negative results." I shrugged. "It seems to be a character flaw with the entire human race. Never being happy with what we've got."

I let out a short little laugh at his question. "Guess that's fair enough." I relented, "Can't imagine you having seen Mona Lisa Smile, so that leaves maybe Crazy/Beautiful? Spider-man? Virgin Suicides? 'Cause unless Lilly made you watch Dick, or Get Over it, something along those lines I can't really see you willingly watching much else. Am I even close?"

Guessing movies Logan had or hadn't seen and actually liked wasn't really a skill I'd learned from my dad (most of those I was sure my mom wouldn't approve of, but that's beside the point), but I could make a few attempts at guessing.
Logan Echolls: feel it all just slip awaylogan_echolls on November 23rd, 2005 11:33 am (UTC)
"You're usually so good at this guessing thing. As much as I can truly adore both The Virgin Suicides and Spider-Man, neither of those actually came to mind." I glanced towards her again, the same smile wearing on my face before. I always smiled, just occasionally it meant something. I paused, making her wait a moment in the suspense of the quiet.

"Other than finding her role in Little Women a thrill to watch, even if the book was better," I began, almost a little mockingly. "The first thing that came to mind was Interview With The Vampire." I shook my head, "Virgin Suicides was better though."

So, I had a soft spot for movies that actually meant something. A movie about a bunch of girls suffocating within their own household and from their own parents... I could relate.

"So, are you?" I asked, my voice dropping a bit. I clarified a moment later. "I mean, happy with what you have." I don't know why I asked that particular question or even to her.
Veronica Mars: come again - liz_guerinrenewedsoul_v on November 23rd, 2005 04:18 pm (UTC)
"You have not read Little Women." I rolled my eyes at him. He was right that the book was better though. "And I should've figured Interview with the Vampire somehow...I guess I just didn't because she was like 11 in that. And Virgin Suicides is pretty amazing." I added, smiling slightly, a little amazed that he seemed to have actual respect for that movie.

"Am I happy with what I have?" I asked, surprised that he was even wanting to know. "What's not to be happy about? I've got parents that love, respect and trust me. Sure my dad doesn't make the equivalent of the Gross National Product of some small country like a lot of families in this town, but it's not like I ever really go without much, there's always food, the bills are always paid, I'm pretty well off compared to some. And I've got Duncan and Lilly who love me, you who delight in torturing me...what's not to be happy about?"

Sure things weren't always perfect, but they could definitely be worse.

"So, you? Anything you're truly happy about?"
Logan Echolls: neither of us want to be alone - l/llogan_echolls on November 23rd, 2005 10:16 pm (UTC)
I laughed aloud when she full out accused me of not reading Little Women and completed the accusation with a roll of her eyes. "How do you know?" So, I was still teasing her a bit. It was pretty easy to do in the long run.

At my next question, she sounded happy. She sounded... normal like she wasn't really longing much for anything more. Content, I would guess. I think that why Lilly had always wanted us to party more and show Veronica a different time. Just so she could see things on the other side and see what she was missing out on.

The dark side has cookies, Veronica. Join us.

"Lilly, Duncan... this group of friends," I shrugged answering. It was the closest I'll ever be to admitting that Veronica was any part of something that I was thankful for.
Veronica Mars: Renewed Soul - liz_guerinrenewedsoul_v on November 23rd, 2005 11:11 pm (UTC)
"Well, how many boys do you know that have even seen the movie, let alone read the book?" I pointed out at his laughter. It was like the Little House books, the Anne books, anything really with female lead characters...as I rule guys tended not to read.

Not a single word of mocking over my list of things to be happy about? That was almost a letdown. And here I was prepared for an onslaught of insults.

"That was practically a compliment, Logan." I smiled at his response. "And hey, at least part of our lists match. Lilly and Duncan being key points to both of us. Not like that wasn't already obvious."

Logan Echolls: heart of the matter - l/vlogan_echolls on November 23rd, 2005 11:48 pm (UTC)
"Only those who have been a) forced at gun point or b) forced to barring that they need to pass English." I replied. "Or even c) those who would do anything just to see Winona Ryder or Claire Danes."

"Duncan cried when Beth died." I said with a teasing smile to my lips. "I told him that she was too innocent in that world to live." I waited for the reaction. We had at least seen the movie, something that was, again, because of Lilly.

"You can take it as a compliment if you want one," I replied. "I just think that despite being happy with what we have everyone wants more - something that they can't have, like you said earlier."

Lilly was living proof of that statement.
Veronica Mars: Renewed Soul - liz_guerinrenewedsoul_v on November 24th, 2005 12:25 am (UTC)
"The filter in your brain that tells you when not to be an insensitive prick is broken, isn't it?" I rolled my at what he said to Duncan when Beth died. "Or maybe it was never there?"

I could tell from the expectant look in his eyes he thought I'd be surprised that Duncan had cried. "And as far as Duncan crying when Beth died, you do remember my reaction during our little game of "I've Never" the night of the dance when he admitted to being a virgin, right? You somehow think crying at the saddest part in that entire story's going to make me think less of him?" I questioned.

"Well, the only thing I don't think I can manage to get is going to college near Duncan. Until then I think I'm good." I replied when he said everybody wants something that they can't have. "Who knows, maybe I'll figure out some way to pull it off before then." I shrugged. I had two years. Which meant I had a year and a half before panic time.
Logan Echolls: sexlogan_echolls on November 24th, 2005 01:59 am (UTC)
"He knew what was going to happen ahead of time, it's not like I told him anything he didn't already know. Besides, It's obvious when character are going to die off or be killed."

I shook my head towards her. "I was plenty sensitive. Lilly was the one who teased him for weeks afterward about both Little Women and that game of "I've Never". You know, I'm sort of under the impression that she wants the two of you to have sex and get it over with."

Sometimes, I'm pretty sure that Lilly and I pretend that we weren't each others' firsts. We're simple: intimate and not at the same time. Attached and detached.

"Though, I suspect that's something she wants more for her entertainment than sexual welfare of the two of you."

I could see other reasons why Lilly wanted it to happen. Maybe just to make them care about other things than family, college and eternal perfection. I think she wanted them darker like it would teach them something and make them happier. That would never make them happier.
Veronica Mars: Renewed Soul - liz_guerinrenewedsoul_v on November 24th, 2005 04:38 am (UTC)
"Just because it's obvious doesn't mean it's completely painless." I pointed out. "And of course Lilly teased him. Lil teases him about everything he ever does or doesn't do."

I couldn't help but sigh when Logan said he was under the impression that Lilly wanted Duncan and I to just have sex and get it over with. "Unfortunately, I know. But it's not something either of us are about to let her dictate. It'll happen when we want it to. There's nothing wrong with not rushing into something so huge for the simple reason of people expecting us to, is there?" I asked.

I couldn't help but think he was probably right about the entertainment value. Only Lilly Kane would want so badly to hear stories like that involving her brother. I shook my head.

"We're fine. It'll happen when it happens. Sex isn't something that should be causing this giant weight of pressure to be hanging around our necks. I don't want it to be perfect or flowery or anything, I just want it to feel right when it happens." I told him, but even as I did I couldn't help but wonder why I was sharing that with Logan of all people. Duncan knew all this already, there was no reason I had to explain it to his best friend. "Not like you actually care one way or another." I added.
Logan Echolls: god i love you - fab fourlogan_echolls on November 24th, 2005 04:54 am (UTC)
"I'm trying to remember when I said it was painless." I replied to her. "I'm pretty sure that I didn't say that."

I heard Veronica's open sigh about Lilly's insistence of sex between the two of them. Love my girlfriend, (hell, I have no complaints about sex myself) but I knew Duncan and to some extent Veronica. They needed something more than just the experience. I can't believe I'm even taking their side at this moment.

"Look..." I started. I heard the tone in my own voice like I was about to be sympathetic or give her advice - neither of which I'd be in any place to do. "... Duncan's my best friend and you make him happy which is all I'm concerned with. Even though, I may not always... express that. He gets uptight about everyone expecting something from him except around you. That's something, isn't it?"

I cared. I was never as heartless as Veronica liked to think.

"I'll tell Lilly to back off if you want."
Veronica Mars: come again - liz_guerinrenewedsoul_v on November 24th, 2005 06:46 am (UTC)
"So then we're back at one of those moments where I fail to see how you can find fun and enjoyment in torturing your best friend, are we?" I asked.

I had to fight hard to keep the astonishment at Logan's next statements off my face. I wasn't like everything he was saying was anything but the truth. Well, the stuff to do with Duncan I knew was true, anyway. It was just beyond unexpected.

"I - yeah, Logan, the fact that Duncan can just relax around me and be himself is one of the most important things in the world to me." I told him with a soft smile. "Him being happy is right at the top of my list, for the record."

That I did feel the need to make sure it was 100% clear that Duncan's happiness meant more to me than anything. I'd never felt the way I do about him for anybody else, which meant I wasn't about to let anybody force us in a direction we weren't ready to go, or worse yet get between us. I'm staying put, and I know Duncan wants me to.

"Thanks for the offer, about Lil, but we both know she won't." I laughed softly. "It's fine. Just don't join the chorus, okay?" I asked.
Logan Echolls: to love for a while - d/llogan_echolls on November 24th, 2005 07:04 am (UTC)
"Wow," I started, lingering on the word for a moment. "I love how you can excuse Lilly for everything that she does to Duncan and yet I'm the one torturing him, Veronica. It's teasing. God, and Duncan doesn't take it personally, so why should you?"

I cared for Duncan. God, I probably wouldn't be anywhere without him as my best friend. So, the random teasing that we did back and forth was suddenly a problem with his girlfriend? Yeah, excuse me. I'm so sorry. Did that offend you?

I knew logically that Veronica wanted him just as happy as I wanted him, or even Lilly did when she thought she knew what he needed. Anything Lilly did was because she wanted to help Duncan and not hurt him. Maybe none of us really knew what was best for Duncan. Maybe he was just supposed to figure that out on his own or something.

"He's my best friend, Veronica. Can you just remember that?" I asked, my voice a little harder than before.
Veronica Mars: come again - liz_guerinrenewedsoul_v on November 24th, 2005 07:20 am (UTC)
"Siblings are supposed to pick on each other, Logan. Not like Dick and Cassidy, or you and Trina are all that different in the way you treat each other." I pointed out. "I'm not trying to seem like I take it personally. I know most of the time you're just teasing. It's just not always that obvious to people who aren't you." I tried to explain. There were moments, especially when they both got in on Duncan about how he could use some more excitement, that it started to seem like more than teasing.

I let out a breath. The last thing I wanted was to get into a screaming match with Logan while trapped in his car.

"Look, I do get on Lilly's case about the major things." I stated, "Or did she fail to let you in on any of the arguments resulting from that?" It had happened more than once. And more than once she'd told me that I was her best friend before I was his boyfriend. Like somehow I wasn't allowed to love them both.

"I know he is, Logan. I'm sorry, okay?" I asked frustrated. "I don't ever forget it. We were friends with Lilly and Duncan long before either of us started dating them. And honestly? I'm not expecting anything other than a place in his life in addition to, not instead of, you." If that didn't get him to back off and relax, I had no clue what actually would at this point.
Logan Echolls: shift perspective - l/vlogan_echolls on November 24th, 2005 07:48 am (UTC)
"Or maybe, you're being just a little too sensitive. Duncan's a big boy, he can fend for himself instead of you doing it for him. If he was really that bothered then he would have said so."

I was sick of being the enemy that Veronica Mars chose to make me any time something went array. I wasn't the bad guy of the plot. I wasn't innocent, no, but I wasn't a total bastard and I was sick of being treated like I was one.

"It's different - you getting on Lilly's case versus you getting on mine, Veronica. You actually like Lilly for once and you can't stand me half of the time for another. I'm not asking for anything from you except for maybe a two second break from you blaming me. I'm not responsible for all these little things that you so like to pin on me." I scoffed towards her, "I'm sick of it, okay?"

"I'm his friend and you just love to point out how much better I could possibly be."
Veronica Mars: So Lost - liz_guerinrenewedsoul_v on November 24th, 2005 08:43 am (UTC)
"Maybe I am. It's not like I can hop in a time machine and change it, is it?" I rolled my eyes. "As far as Duncan actually saying anything, how often does he actually speak up when he should?" I questioned.

"I can't stand you have the time because you're constantly an ass to me, you make it just as clear, and always have, that you have absolutely no use for me." I reminded him, clenching my fists for a moment. Part of me felt like jumping out of the moving car just so I wasn't stuck fighting with Logan with no escape. Being trapped was not something I ever handled well.

"You don't think I'm just as sick of all the insults you sling my way? All the times you try to make me feel like there's something wrong with me because I don't want to party all the time, and I don't want my parents to lose their trust in me over whatever scheme you and Lilly have come up with to 'liven up' my life?" I snapped. We were equally guilty in this mess and there was no way I was letting him dump it all on me.

"Have you ever once heard me say to Duncan than he can do better? Or to Lilly for that matter?" I asked, angling my body towards the window. It was as far away from him as I could get. Sure I get pissed off at him at times - okay, a lot of the time - but I've never once even thought that I wanted him gone from their lives.

"I couldn't do that to you guys, Logan." I whispered, letting out a sad breath. Again, I might not get along with Logan a good chunk of the time, but splitting them up because I don't always like him? I'd be no better than Celeste's treatment of me.

Couldn't we go back to getting along? That was better than this. Really was.
Logan Echolls: you let me downlogan_echolls on November 24th, 2005 09:13 am (UTC)
"How can he possibly do it for himself when you always do the honors for him?" I asked bitterly.

"I mean, do you positively know that every single thing I do bothers him? Have you even met the males of our species to know how guys communicate. We're not like girls. We don't discuss our feelings - not like that - but I would know if Duncan truly had a problem with anything I was doing."

See, now we were getting to the real thick middle of the problem. Yeah, blame me, Veronica.

"I don't have any use for you. The only reason that we possibly ever hang out is because of Duncan and Lilly. I was only trying to be nice when I picked you up today. That's all, but obviously I did it just because I wanted to sling more insults your way. Maybe make fun of your hair or the fact that maybe I do think that you need to liven up a bit."

"You talk about college, love and family as if it's the only thing in your world. As if that's all that ever possibly matters. You are in essence an 09er without the cash. Maybe we just care enough to want you guys in on any possible opportunities that come along - that are different. Something that you wouldn't bother trying and something that maybe you should. It's about living and not just existing."

"It's about learning too," I said quietly.

It was as if she thought me to be entirely heartless. I wiped my hair back with one hand and let out a hard breath. She got to me as always. All this perfection that surrounded her got to me.

She makes this sad sound that makes me feel bad for a moment. Like she can ache inside just as much as me. I just shake my head. I can't answer or deny the fact that I've told both Duncan and Lilly that they could do so much better than Veronica Mars.
Veronica Mars: Veronica Questioning - liz_guerinrenewedsoul_v on November 24th, 2005 05:07 pm (UTC)
"Whatever you say, Logan." I sighed, "I'll bite my tonge and keep my mouth shut next time it involves Duncan. Will that get you to shut up?"

"God, don't you think I know that? Do you think I would even talk to you if it weren't for them? Honestly?" I shook my head. He was doing it again. Making it sound like everything I wanted for myself was something to be ashamed of. It wasn't. There wasn't something wrong with it.

"No, you with your holier than thou, nothing I do matters because my parents have more money than God so I'll do whatever I want attitude is pure 09ner, Logan. More of our extended circle of friends act like you than me and we both know it." I spat back.

"What is so wrong with my life, anyway?" I questioned, still moving to even face forward again. "If I'm happy, why is it so damn important to you to go changing that?" I really couldn't understand it. I didn't get why it was so freaking important to him that I be in on his partying. You'd think he'd be worried that I'd suck the fun right out of it. He clearly thought I was a black hole the rest of the year. Homecoming being the only clear exception.

"Why do you hate me so much?" I couldn't help but ask. If he hated being around me as much as he seemed to, why did he want to join in on Lilly's little projects to make me more like her? "It's not new or anything, but I don't - you've been hostile to me since Junior High." Wait. And the lightbulb goes on. "Duncan. All of this is because of Duncan, isn't it?"
Logan Echolls: sometimes i worrylogan_echolls on November 24th, 2005 05:39 pm (UTC)
"Well, see, that might be a nice start," I replied, my voice hard. My patience quickly wore when it came to this certain sheriff's daughter. There were times that I though that I wouldn't want anything more but Veronica's disappearance (excluding the fact that both Lilly and Duncan would take that as a loss).

At least we're in agreement that we want nothing to do with each other. I give almost a wry smile to her at that. Thank god for the Kanes, I might have died from boredom otherwise. Talking to Veronica was like talking to your food before you ate it.

Yeah, our 'extended circle of friends' may act more like me, but you've got all the stuff that means anything to be a 09er down - everything but the bank account.

"How did you get that 'extended circle of friends anyway, Veronica?" I asked. "It really couldn't possibly be this charming attitude, could it? No, I'm pretty sure that it's exactly because of who you're dating." I shook my head. This couldn't possibly be my reasoning for trying to ward Duncan and Lilly away, could it?

Still, I couldn't say the words. Why her life seemed so wrong to me was because of her happiness and whether or not Lilly admitted it too, she was bothered too. Just because none of it could be possibly real. Bliss was something that had anger over and she was the only one with true bliss - a precious family. It was entirely unrealistic.

I clenched my jaw as I pulled my X-Terra into the Kane driveway and then spoke collectively - trying to bat any other feelings away, especially when she mentions Duncan.

"I don't hate you, Veronica."

I envy you.
Veronica Mars: come again - liz_guerinrenewedsoul_v on November 24th, 2005 08:39 pm (UTC)
I don't even bother trying to keep myself from glaring at him when he sort of smiles. The decent but snarky exchange from earlier seems like another lifetime right now. I didn't want to be in the same town as Logan Echolls right now, never mind in his car. I should have turned down the ride. Of course that would have started a fight right then and there, so was that any better?

"Excuse me? I was best friends with Lilly for three years before Duncan and I started dating." I remind him when he says I'm only classified an 09ner because of my relationship with Duncan. Not that I cared one way or another about 09ner status. Really didn't. I was fine as long as I had Lilly and Duncan. "Maybe Duncan factors in, but I've been eating lunch every day with Lilly since the 7th grade. Who I hung around with didn't really change did it?"

In his own way Logan was just as bad as Celeste. I couldn't possibly have pure motives for wanting Lilly and Duncan in my life, so I must be a social-climbing bitch. Right. Guess I can't stop them from thinking it, anyway.

"Well, you definitely make a good attempt at making me believe you do." I stated, getting out of the car the second he turned the engine off. I can't help but notice that he avoided responding to my question about Duncan. Which makes me think I'm right.

I slam the door after picking up my purse. "For the second time tonight: I'm not trying to take him away from you Logan. I - I just want to fit in there somewhere. Is that so much to ask?" I questioned. It wasn't like I was constantly trying to push Logan out of Lilly's life.
Logan Echolls: heart of the matter - l/vlogan_echolls on November 24th, 2005 09:13 pm (UTC)
I almost comment as she slams the passenger door closed after getting out of the car, but it seems pretty useless at this point to focus on such a minor detail. I keep my mouth shut even though everything I want to do is hurt Veronica right now. There was a reason I'd pick fun at her sometimes. I mean, this animosity wasn't just Duncan or even Lilly. Veronica knew just as much that she pressed buttons. I was sure she did.

"What I can't tell is that if you hate me so much. If you hate everyone else at that table but Duncan and Lilly, why do you bother sitting there at all? Really. Especially when you could convince them to sit elsewhere if you really wanted." I state, slipping out of the car to talk with her.

"You don't even like those people and yet you've been sitting with them for years." I sound exasperated because I am. I know I'm probably no better than Veronica - that I dealt with people just because of Duncan and Lilly. God knows, I was doing it right now.

I put a hand firmly on the hood of my car. Talking to her with something hard and durable between us seemed like the best idea.

"I'm not taking him away from you, Veronica. That's not what I want to do," I tell her quietly. This old screaming match with Veronica is something that I just want gone. This is the last thing I actually want to happen. "I couldn't possibly do that, even if I did want to." Because he loves you.
Veronica Mars: So Lost - liz_guerinrenewedsoul_v on November 24th, 2005 09:51 pm (UTC)
"When did I say I hated you?" I questioned. "I said you're an ass to me most of the time, but that's not the same thing. Annoying the hell out of me doesn't automatically translate into me hating you last I checked." I said, completely frustrated by this entire conversation. "You're Duncan's best friend, Lilly loves you. You're part of the package. And you have moments where I actually understand why that is. So, no, as pissed off at you as I get, I don't hate you."

"I'm - Look, I might not always get along with everybody, or even really agree with them about a lot of things, but again, that doesn't mean I hate them. And it definitely doesn't give me the right to try and convince Lilly and Duncan to stay away from them." I insisted.

It wasn't like we hadn't talked just a few minutes ago about how much I hated the way Celeste treated me, so what made him think I wanted to act like I was so superior to everybody? I'm not. I'm just not quite as spoiled and snobby as some. That's a pretty big difference.

"What do you want to do then?" I asked. There had to have been something. I shook my head. It didn't really matter. Besides, it wasn't like he was about to tell me. I ran my fingers through my hair, pushing it back away from my face for a moment. I just wanted Duncan happy. None of the rest of it mattered at all in comparison.
Logan Echolls: in the rearview mirrorlogan_echolls on November 24th, 2005 10:16 pm (UTC)
"That's just it. You don't ever stop reminding me what a horrible person I am," I snapped towards her. "All my energies are spent against you, Duncan and most of the student body or something. No, Logan isn't at all decent. Not ever. How am I really supposed to ever know that you don't hate my guts when all you ever tell me is that I don't even care. Not caring would result in me not even bothering when it came to you or, hell, even Duncan and Lilly."

"All I want is one single day when you don't associate the words Logan Echolls and Bad Guy together."

I shook my head to her. Talking to Veronica was impossible. Who was I kidding trying to play nice by offering her a ride over here and joking about actors and stories? It was just a facade. Who was I kidding trying to tell her what I actually wanted?

I ran my fingers through my hair again and sighed heavily. I was sick of the fighting. It was just utterly useless. I made a huff of a sound while Veronica absorbed any words I had sent her way and headed towards the front door. Though seconds later I turned back again, still upset.

"I'm trying. Does that count for anything?" I asked her.